• iii@mander.xyzEnglish
    841·
    2 个月前

    Wonder where chatgpt will get its training data in the future, as it’s known not to extrapolate well. Where will it learn new frameworks, languages, … from?

    • ad_on_is@lemm.eeEnglish
      251·
      2 个月前

      I doubt it ever scraped SO, otherwise all the answers would be smth along the lines: “I cannot answer this question due to low quality effort!” closes browser window

          • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
            2·
            2 个月前

            Somebody already did that but it wasn’t with chat GPT and honestly the docs were fine.

            It didn’t do that thing that a lot of humans do when writing documentation which is just declare that something is true without explaining why it is true. So you end up in random PHP like land, when things just work like that okay.

          • Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            2 个月前

            Honestly it’s petty good about doing that. Already had similar tooling options but it does a generally good job of making docs for non devs assuming good naming are used in the methods

        • GetOffMyLan@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          2 个月前

          Yeah the smaller the project the less effective this is.

          But even learning from the source code is pretty effective.

      • Sentient Loom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        2 个月前

        That works when the docs are good and clear. Otherwise, we’ll have to revert to communicating with each other for brief periods while the chat-bots train themselves on the new data.

      • iii@mander.xyzEnglish
        61·
        2 个月前

        Even when a parrot learns to parrot a parrot, the first parrot still has to be taught.

      • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
        21·
        2 个月前

        Armies on paid personal generating content?

        I see absolutely no problem with that.

  • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
    675·
    2 个月前

    I’ve been on SO like ten times altogether since ChatGPT came out. It’s so much nicer than the condescending pricks of Stack Overflow. My favourite is when some genius links a question as a duplicate of something that’s vaguely similar.

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28·
      2 个月前

      The problem is that fewer people are generating the new content for gpt to slurp up.

      Free information stops working when people stop caring about creating it.

      • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 个月前

        Yeah, I’ve thought about that as well. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna miss Stack Overflow specifically. Perhaps something better replaces it when AI gets poisoned by its own output too much.

        • Llewellyn@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          2 个月前

          I think not. The problem isn’t in a service, the problem is in people.

          • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 个月前

            Sure, that’s why a good service doesn’t create an environment which supports people being dicks. Unfortunately, that’s exactly what SO does with the way it works.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
      11·
      2 个月前

      This question was already answered 10 years ago in a completely different version of the programming language to the one you’re using, and we know it doesn’t work anymore, in fact hasn’t for 8 years, but we’re going to close it anyway because screw you.

      Also you should be doing it in Rust anyway

    • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      2 个月前

      What do you ask ChatGPT? I rarely get a correct answer really, it’s all made-up bullshit usually.

      • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 个月前

        I usually have good answers with only minimal bullshit when it comes to coding. If not, it at least points me in the right direction.

  • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
    605·
    2 个月前

    Down voted. If you’re just going to post a screenshot, you must include a link to the source. This is a link sharing platform.

  • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
    521·
    2 个月前

    The irony of it all is SO making deals for AI to scrape their site for machine learning but in doing so more people are using chatgpt and copilot more because it’s easier and just as accurate. AI/ML is really going to destroy these websites and yet it’s the websites signing off on their own death sentences.

    • bloup@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      47·
      2 个月前

      It’s called selling out. I doubt they have any illusions about the future of these platforms, they just don’t care as long as they can cash out.

    • Toribor@corndog.socialEnglish
      24·
      2 个月前

      What I’m still not sure of is this… When these websites die will the LLMs stagnate with no new data to use for training or will they somehow keep up with new technology and eliminate the need for certain basic questions that would originally have required human input?

      • Troy@lemmy.caEnglish
        161·
        2 个月前

        The ideal result? LLMs are just early versions of much better things that come later.

        The unlikely result: we develop a separate human curated internet somewhere, complete with verification that a human wrote every bit. Basically verifiable digital id and signing on everything. Maybe.

        The probable result: the internet turns to shit as AIs are trained on content created by AIs.

  • amzd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    2 个月前

    It’s also around the time they did away with their jobs board thing isn’t it? I got a job through it in 2021 and somewhere after that they sunset it, which was an insane business decision because it was the best job search platform out there.

    • r00ty@kbin.life
      281·
      2 个月前

      I think it goes further than that. There’s two things happening with regard to AI and software development.

      1: Stack overflow has become less common as a resource to solve problems. This, as you say has a problem of input into LLMs for future problems to solve.
      2: Junior developers are being hired less because of AI. I assume the idea is that seniors will use AI in the same way they would usually use juniors. Except, they’ve done what business always does. Not think one bit about the future. Today’s senior developers are yesterdays junior developers.

      The combination of AI performance drop due to point 1, and the lack of new developers because of point 2 makes for potentially, a bad future for the profession.

      • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
        32·
        2 个月前

        As a senior developer I have no idea how I’d get an AI to autonomously keep a small subsystem maintained. If I was replacing junior developers, that’s what it has to do.

        Everybody in my team gets to own something. What you own depends on your capability. You learn by doing. No dogsbodies doing busy work.

        • BearOfaTime@lemm.eeEnglish
          15·
          2 个月前

          Everybody in my team gets to own something. What you own depends on your capability.

          This is a point I try to constantly make when people don’t understand why 2 people have the same title but don’t really have the same job, especially in technical fields.

          No two people have the same set of skills, so we all end up taking on the tasks we’re more capable of than the next person.

        • r00ty@kbin.life
          6·
          2 个月前

          I don’t think developers are doing it. It’s managers making this kind of decision I’d say.

          • Mbourgon everywhere@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            2 个月前

            It works great if nobody ever leaves or dies or takes vacation. We try to discourage siloization of projects and emphasize cross-training - it makes the job more interesting, gives people more/better tools to solve problems with, etc. And anytime the business objects we mention the project where X left and how painful it is to get new anything added/enhanced because none of those tenets were involved.

            However, all bets are off with offshore contractors. Some want to learn, some simply don’t care and will do the bare minimum.

            • Sentient Loom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              7·
              2 个月前

              We try to discourage siloization of projects and emphasize cross-training

              This is how my work has been and it allowed me to touch every part of the repo while still a junior dev and gain lots of experience. So I also like that. But lately I’m trying to specialize more and go deep into things, and I like the idea of being an expert on something. So I appreciate the trade-offs.

              all bets are off with offshore contractors. Some want to learn, some simply don’t care and will do the bare minimum.

              As a guy who was replaced by offshore contractors, and who hasn’t had a single interview in 7 months while offshore contractors are (probably) still getting lots of work… I find this observation both heartening and disheartening.

              • Mbourgon everywhere@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                2 个月前

                One of my bosses has a concept of “T-shaped developers”, which means you know everything a little, and have depth on one thing.

                7months: ouch, sorry to hear. I wish I had some words of wisdom to share.

      • iii@mander.xyzEnglish
        61·
        2 个月前

        Junior developers are being hired less because of AI.

        Where are you seeing this? I’ve not seen any evidence of that, yet.

        • r00ty@kbin.life
          5·
          2 个月前

          I’ve been told about companies in the same field as mine with a hiring freeze on juniors. So it’s kinda second hand.

          • privacyplslemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 个月前

            Im a consultant senior dev and devops engineer. Ive worked for over 100 companies in the last 10 years on various engagements. Ive worked for multiple companies and clients at the same time through some consulting agencies. Ive worked for startups and FAANG companys. Ive also worked as a technical PM and EM for these same companies and hired hundreds of engineers.

            Junior dev market is 100% in its last death throws before finally officially being pronounced dead. The job market has vanished so thoroughly between AI and offshoring in a high fed-rate economy, even though we just started rate cutting, by the time we feel the effects, AI will have further killed juniors without ever returning.

            I dislike it, because i want to train people not machines, but the average junior dev is so bad its insane and not only have companies found that out, senior engineers have too. Many people like to TALK about mentoring new engineers… the reality is, few actually do. It takes significantly less time to correct chatgpt and claude code then it does to have a junior take 2-5 days and write it all wrong, and they interrupt your work to ask you a million questions again and again.

            I just had a contract with a startup company… 40 million series B company with a simple fucking CRUD app… their engineering team? 35 SENIOR ONLY engineers. The least senior of which was an IC3 our of IC6 senior engineer.

            • r00ty@kbin.life
              1·
              2 个月前

              This does tally up with what I’ve been hearing. Where I’m at there’s been a few hires straight into senior. I’ve not heard of an official junior freeze. At the same time it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a new one.

              The problem, as I commented prior, is that if we no longer bring in junior devs to gain this kind of experience, we lose the flow of junior -> senior. But in most places, the people making the decisions won’t consider anything beyond the end of the current fin year.

  • ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    231·
    2 个月前

    Isn’t this when Safari and Firefox started blocking third party trackers by default?

  • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    234·
    2 个月前

    Chat GPT is wonderful as a search engine for SO. It regurgitates the answers in a format easier to incorporate into your own project.

    The thing I’m worried about is a lack of new answers. You need data to train an LLM, what to do if nobody is producing it?

      • iii@mander.xyzEnglish
        111·
        2 个月前

        I typically visit stack overflow when encountering edge cases and bugs not covered by the documentation.

        • GetOffMyLan@programming.devEnglish
          31·
          2 个月前

          If it has learned from the source code you’d be surprised how good it is at that as well.

          For docs it’s better, for other stuff it’s way worse than a human.

          It’s a shame so much stuff is locked up in discord these days.

        • MajorHavoc@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          2 个月前

          Ha! I have an AI for that! Gotcha!

          …

          On, but the AI trains now on other docs that I used an AI to write…

          …

          Oh shit…

  • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    166·
    2 个月前

    I’m raising their traffic,by slowly poisoning my answers & questions.

        • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          2 个月前

          Wut. You consented to CC BY-SA. That’s consenting to everyone using your work, including for profit companies and nonprofits. This is a good thing.

          • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 个月前

            I’ve tried to delete my content, I wasn’t allowed. So I replaced all my content with text about not consenting to this whole thing. I got banned for 2 months “to think about my behavior”, or something like that. So I’ve set a reminder for the date…

  • BlackPenguins@lemmy.worldEnglish
    135·
    2 个月前

    Interesting. I actually thought of it as a replacement for Google. With Google search being broken for years it’s the only easy way to get information now.