There’s still one protest possible.
LEAVE REDDIT!!! GET THE FUCK OFF OF IT! LET IT DIE. MAKE IT DIE!
Same with twitter.
And all things Meta.
Twitter and Reddit went so much to shit and lowered the bar so much that Meta actually became almost not bad in my eyes, almost.
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Gee are you implying that storing passwords in plaintext is a bad thing? /s
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That’s security, not privacy.
helenslunch - the slayer of untruths
How much privacy do you have when someone has your account password?
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I’m still pissed off that I’ve never had a facebook. I never gave them any info about me. I gave them no reason to have a profile on me.
Yet because OTHER people have facebook, they know my name, my address, my phone number. I don’t know if they can identify me in pictures that other people post, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
That shouldn’t be allowed. I did not consent.
Correct. And the same is true for the mobile phones, carriers, and a slew of apps that all look at contacts. They know who you are and who your friends and family are.
There’s a guy in the world of pro wrestling named Jim Cornette that said a quote this reminds me of.
Cornette is known for holding grudges, and being hateful. He keeps a shitlist of people he hates.
Well in the 1980s he was working for a wrestling company, and hated one of his coworkers for a year. Then a new guy came in and was so much worse.
Then one day he says to the first guy “You know, you used to be at the top of my shit list, but with all these new fuckheads coming in, you managed to move down a few spots simply by not doing anything!”
I think Meta is doing a decent job with Instagram. I mean except for collecting all possible data and psychological profiling of users to serve them targeted ads, it’s a decent enough platform. And the only one still allowing for engagement with your actual friends rather than exclusively professional content creators.
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WTF are you on about? no one likes instagram shorts and the feed is a jumbled mess of bullshit and advertisements. I deleted mine a long time ago and don’t regret it for a second.
no one likes instagram shorts
it’s “reels” i think tiktok recommends better videos, but IG has closed the gap in recent years.
I really don’t understand how people use Instagram. I’ve tried, but it’s about 45% ads, 10-15% posts by people I don’t follow, it’s not in chronological order (or any sense of order for that matter), and regardless of whether I was on there yesterday or 2 months ago, it’ll show me about 40 posts before saying “You’re all caught up from the past 3 days!” and then refuse to show me any more.
I guess this is why I’m here on Lemmy and went crawling back to Tumblr, one of the last vestiges of the old internet. At this point, I’d rather watch a platform die than become marketable to advertisers and shareholders.
Yes the random feed filled with ads unrelated post suggestions and limited to three days is the main issue. i use an Instagram mod but they didn’t manage yet to replace the main feed with the friend only feed you can get by clicking on the Instagram button
I mean except for collecting all possible data and psychological profiling of users to serve them targeted ads, it’s a decent enough platform.
It’s not. Instagram is popular the way it is because “It’s going to be a lot harder to pull off massive protests” there.
Don’t worry that’ll change, they haven’t owned it for that long yet.
they haven’t owned it for that long yet
they acquired it in 2012.
…OK, well I guess we wait until the wrong person is in charge of that division. Also I’m old because that feels like yesterday…fuck.
Meta is a little hard because they acquired a lot of existing social networks in their prime and have kept things subtle. Think about how long it took EA to finally strip Maxis of everything but The Sims. The only way you would know something is owned by Meta is from the splash screen.
The problem is that FB is the “core forum” for tons of niche hobbies. Irts the only reason I still have a account. They successfully killed off the old php forums.
If you live in rural America sone information is only posted to Facebook, from private businesses to small county or town governments
Additionally FB Marketplace killed Craigslist, at least in my area (also US). Nextdoor somewhat is a counter but that has its own problems.
Meta probably is the hardest one given that in many influencal countries WhatsApp is the app everyone uses for communication
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Yep, agreed. The biggest problem there is that Meta is generally not making life worse for its users than they’re used to. Facebook and Instagram are giving you almost the same shitty experience you got a decade ago.
at least they are developing affordable vr
And locking it behind their account system
Yeah they’re subsidizing the price to get between you and reality.
Affordable purely by the money you pay upfront. They earn more by the ridiculous amount of tracking they do, and they’re also forcing you to stay within their services.
As with so many other things, you’re paying with more than just money.
they’re also pushing the technology and pressuring other manufacturers to adopt and be competitive
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I left Reddit 6 months ago when I was permabanned for asking a question about what is forbidden. They can kiss my ass. And I hope they go broke.
Aw man. I left Reddit on my own terms as soon as the writing was on the wall re: 3rd party apps.
To have access ripped away without notice must have bred some deep hatred for the platform.
Like what the hell are they even protesting about now? What is left to protest about? And why? Just go.
I genuinely tried to leave but lots of communities didn’t leave Reddit and therefore had to stick to Reddit. I did with RRSS-feed and avoided their app.
Recently figured out we can Sideload Apollo app with almost all functions available. So did that.
Thankfully never used twitter! I read valuation dropped from 44B to 9,4B recently.
You can create the community and begin the migration
I’m not the right person to start a community, that’s the main problem. I’m not fit to be a Moderator and such.
It’s super easy, the main problem is no one will move. I still moderate a couple on reddit, but it was hard enough getting people even there, certainly no one will come here.
I feel like internet users have become so lazy, stubborn, and resistant to change. I’m pretty sure it used to be easier to get people to move to new things like new forums, Xfire, Ventrillo, IRC, ICQ, AIM… people used to try new things
Companies have done this on purpose. They all want you to stay in their walled garden, their “ecosystem” of various products. So they make it easy to get into and get connected to people and things, and then make it hard to leave because you’re “invested.”
I’m pretty sure it used to be easier to get people to move to new things like new forums, Xfire, Ventrillo
In some respects it was somewhat easier to get them to be on multiple platforms instead of moving. Think of the original messenger proliferation, where sometimes people would be on IRC, XMPP, AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, or etc. so much so that you had software like Pidgin and Trillian to help consolidate server/chat rooms and friends lists to more easily chat with all your contacts.
Even with Ventrilo, I remember being open to also switching to Mumble or vice versa if there was some hiccup with either.
Eh, not everyone is fit to be a moderator.
I don’t feel I have the time (this issue is made worse by my timezone not aligning up with the most active hours for communities), nor do I have the maturity and level-headedness to be a fair and impartial moderator.
E: oops replying 3 days later. I’m surprised this thread is still in my feed…
Gee, I sure wonder why…
There have always been people like that, it’s just more noticeable now because the numbers are larger.
People still use MySpace and Digg, and there are people on Bluesky, Mastodon, here, etc.
It’s in its afterlife phase right now. Much of the comment sections on any given subreddit are full of newbies using colloquialisms from other platforms. e.g. Users call subreddits “groups” which I think originates from Facebook. Or users trying to “bump” posts. There’s a lot of signs that the core userbases are gone.
The hold outs for these sites are so fucking dumb. They act like social media is somehow an important part of their existence when just 10, 20 years ago it was an emerging technology. These early iterations of social media are toxic as fuck. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They don’t deserve your patronage and are taking your goodwill and turning it into social decay.
10-20 years and you people can’t give it up for something better. There is no argument. You don’t owe them loyalty. They aren’t innovating. They have contributed to the rise of authoritarianism.
Yeesh.
If you’re still posting on Reddit or Twitter, and it’s not for a niche community, please don’t come here.
No, because then they’ll all flood here. Then I’ll have to consult with 9,006 different rules between each sub, while subsequently making sure I’m bending to each power-mods weird and unwritten agenda.
No I’m good with reddit. I encourage reddit. And I encourage all the weirdos to use reddit!
Nope.
If you encourage it, it will continue to fester and rot, and the entire internet will lower their expectations.
We need to destroy these companies. We need to smash them to pieces, and hey guess what - it’s going to hurt a bit! We need to be prepared to stand up against evil, corrupt, racist, bigoted robber barons. We need to make some sacrifices to fix the internet.
Burn the fuckers to the ground, and let spez rot in a hole.
I think you have misconstrued what I’m saying here. I hope reddit exists to collect the weirdos, and be a breeding ground for the gross shit it is, and keep it away from here. We don’t need to inherit the 2024 users of reddit, no one wants them. Let them echo in their bot chambers until they literally spin into the ground. Keep Lemmy normal.
I get what you’re saying, but it never works like that.
You said it yourself: “I hope reddit exists to…be a breeding ground…” And it will. The worst of humanity will collect and fester and grow in numbers. And what’s going to happen then? Some will spill over to here, and other ‘safe’ communities.
There’s no way we can thrive and simultaneously isolate ourselves from assholery; and by encouraging it to thrive elsewhere, we’re only expanding its power and reach; and at the same time, enriching and empowering asshole billionaires like spez, Zuck, Musk, etc.
No, we need to fight them. We need to wade hip-deep in the shit to shovel it down the drain, rather than hoping it’ll just go away on its own.
Look at it another way: If you have a garden, what happens if you designate one corner as “the weed corner?” It grows, spreads, and takes over the rest of the garden.
We can fight them, but ultimately these companies have the control. They can enrich and empower, and there’s probably not a lot we can ultimately do about it. When the chips fall, I’d rather they just stay on a sub and endlessly echo chamber themselves into oblivion. Some will come here, but it seems like most will stay there until something ultra stupid forces them here. And I mean at this point, even ultra stupid hasn’t, so yeah. If they have to collect somewhere, I’d personally rather it be there than here. I think that’s the main point I’m making.
…I’m gonna go ahead and say it.
I like it better here.
Same. This place is great, even with the tankies from lemmy.ml and the fascists from hexbear, at least we somehow still get along.
Not all of us are tankies fwiw, I just wanted to be on the largest and most well-supported instance with generally the least amount of downtime.
Fair 🤷♂️
Isn’t it lemmy.world?
That one isn’t the largest, no. The largest is .ml and it’s run by the two Lemmy maintainers.
I am confused, every statistic of .world seems bigger. What am I missing?
Looks like I was mistaken, then. Looks like .ml isn’t the largest, it’s just the one run by the two Lemmy maintainers, which for me (combined with .one keeping going down when I was actively using it) made it my home instance.
What’s the deal with having a .world user complain about ml and hexbear in every single thread lately?
It’s crazy. Almost like we all have the freedom to say whatever the fuck we want, including complaining, because we fucking can.
I’m not from .world and also complain about it sometimes. In my opinion, it’s a legitimate reason that makes Lemmy less attractive, as a consequence, you have to set up blockers to keep your sanity which is a hassle for the average user.
hexbear isn’t fascist
They are heavily biased towards China and Russia, two countries with fascist governments. That kinda speaks for itself, even if they claim to be communists or socialists.
Don’t confuse authoritarian regimes with fascism. China is an authoritarian state running a diluted version of communism, but it’s not fascist. Russia under Putin is leaning more towards fascism these days for sure, but they’re not fascist outright yet.
Maybe what the hexbear folks gravitate around the most is the idea of authoritarianism. The flavour doesn’t matter as much.
a diluted version of communism,
Is there still something communist in their economy? Are the people working 9 am to 9 pm 6 days a week, owning their means of production?
They share the same positions on global politics as pretty much every Marxist-Leninist political party on the planet. You may not like those positions, but trying to characterise them as actually far-right extremist is absurd horseshoe theory nonsense.
Liberals & social democrats on lemmy.world acting like NATO, the US Democratic Party, and capitalism are the real bulwarks against fascism is amusing.
The guy punching me clearly espouses a pacifist ideology, so calling him violent is absurd horseshoe theory nonsense.
Lemmy was better before the Reddit exodus last year, when people started insulting others by calling them tankies and fascists. Before that, it was much more peaceful.
He says from his 7 month old acct.
No chance that is an alt account?
No chance whatsoever to hold alternate accounts on this federated social media website that are all incapable of account consolidation and OTP validation like reddit can /s
It was still full of tankies though, lemmygrad was the second biggest instance and you’d see it everywhere
They were tankies and fascists before anyone ever came here and found out that they were.
Calling them such didn’t create them.
Basically… A tankie isn’t not a tankie just because theres no one there to accuse them of being one.
I honestly believe that Lemmy is cool, but it either needs more content or I need to perform a magic trick to make my feed “better”. At least it’s not that addicting, and the “small community, small town” vibes gives charm to it.
I’ve been here since August 2024 or so.
I agree, so I’ve been posting photos and things. What we don’t need is a bunch of autoposting bots.
If you want to find the busy threads though, sort of Active and All. And just see what is going on across the lemmyverse
If you want to find the busy threads though, sort of Active and All. And just see what is going on across the lemmyverse
Yeah, this helps, but it’s not always topics that really interest me. We kind of need more diversity of content around here.
I prefer scaled to active sort for that reason.
I agree though, more content and more content diversity would be great.
The small percentage that contribute content regularity in social media platforms instead of just consuming are great.
I’m too boring to have much content that would be good for anything other than microblogging myself though.
On Reddit, everyone is trying to get a million votes and just brutally murder with words everyone. It either gets really hostile, or just lots of bots posting bot shit.
On Lemmy: Even the posters I disagree with, I have a lot of fun with them. We say stupid shit all the time and accept the upvotes/downvotes with our shitposts.
That’s been my experience as well. I’m using a Lemmy client that allows me to tag users, and I’ve been tagging people who have posted comments that annoyed me. A few are obvious trolls, but the rest have posted many comments that I liked or agree with since I’ve tagged them. It’s been refreshing to see, actually
since August 2024 or so
So, two months? Lol
Wait, it’s have been only 2 MONTHS? Phew, time’s passing slower than I though!
It’s so much better. Personally I don’t hope it grows much either. Satisfies my content itch, have still had some good quality convos here, seen some great comments threads. Absolutely none of the bullshit that Reddit purposely encourages. Plus most of the zeebs and the chronically offended seemed to have stayed with reddit, and I’m super OK with that.
I’d argue Lemmy is turning into its own echo chamber. I’ve seen some mods power tripping just like good old Reddit. I erroneously thought people would learn from past mistakes, but sadly this is not what happened.
Then just go to a different Instance. I agree the powermods are a headache, but at least with Lemmy they have way less power. You can start a new sub with a matching name on a different Instance, and draw people away from the power mods. People get pretty sick of the power mods, pretty fast.
I’ve seen some mods power tripping just like good old Reddit.
The difference is that when that happens on Reddit, you can’t go anywhere else. On Lemmy, you can go to any other instance and do it better if you feel the mods elsewhere are bad.
I agree with everything you said, but I gotta ask: What is a zeeb?
I believe the definition is somebody who is totally lame.
The lack of commercialization being shoved down and up your orifices is really nice.
This place feels like old reddit. When we could have actual discussions and not just be downvoted by bots. It’s so much better here
And you can still tailor it to yourself. Instances have different mindsets to different topics and things they allow or don’t and there’s tons of people to agree with or disagree with but everyone is cordial.
I just don’t have a reason to go back
We all do
The only way to win the reddit game is to not play.
How about a nice game of Chess?
Launches entire US nuclear arsenal against Russia
Can we launch it against Spez?
Very good Joshua
I just lost The Game
LOL!
Damn, I hadn’t lost since June
It’s sad how many docile idiots remained on Reddit and Twitter after last year.
People still use AOL internet. I expect Reddit and twitter to die sometime in the 2050s.
Digg still exists. Death of websites is rarely a complete shutter, but usually more of a steady decline into obscurity
Wow!! It’s the Divide By Zero admin!!
I’m not a celebrity :D
I missed the part where Aol. was promoting toxicity and hate while attempting a short-term grift on its users like Reddit and X have.
That fact that Aol. is still alive is amazing by itself. It’s just another sleazy, beleaguered company that used to be meaningful. You leave because other companies have better products, not because they offend your sense of morality.
(Or maybe they do.)
I think you underestimate how ignorant people can be. The reason Aol still exists is because they are grifters too. My Aol example was to show that people are docile idiots and won’t change their habits. Aol is grifting just as much as reddit does. They’re just grifting different groups in different ways.
That’s why i think reddit and twitter will continue on for a long time. Maybe not as powerhouses but they won’t implode or go away any time soon.
My mom was still paying for dial-up AOL in 2016. She had been paying them $20 a month for over a decade while having high-speed internet that she was also paying for.
When I asked her why she didn’t cancel it, she said she would lose her email.
So I canceled it because AOL provides free email because they make money off of the ads.
Not just AOL Internet, but also the email service. Same for Hotmail. I used to work at iHeart, and the number of those email services (from prize winners) was not insignificant.
Hotmail was owned by Microsoft when I signed up in the late 90s. It’s no surprise it’s still around. It hasn’t been my primary email for a long time, but I still use it as my MS account. So really it’s just my Minecraft account.
I have a few accounts floating around for different services Microsoft has bought out or since integrated logins for. I genuinely don’t know how many Microsoft accounts I have, and it’s always a pain trying to guess which one a given service is on
There are a lot of subreddits for which there is no real replacement. Sometimes the strength in a community is the people. Doesn’t matter if reddit sucks if the people are there.
I don’t know, I feel during that exodus we got the best of the best. I miss some of the niche communities, But there’s so many fewer assholes over here.
I believe you missed the point. There’s people there because they know that their content won’t be found elsewhere.
A lot of it is just propaganda bots at this point.
Those still on are a bunch of bootlickers IMO
You know what’s not impossible? Leaving that shit hole and never coming back.
The best protest is to stop moderating. Lie flat. Let the subreddit go to shit.
That’s when I knew we lost. When power hungry moderators felt threatened and, instead of standing in solidarity with its users, caved to corporate demands.
“But we’ll be able to still protest. Every Tuesday.”
Hell are those protests still going on? I highly doubt it.
People tried that.
reddit corporate will remove those mods and ask which other mods want to be super duper awesome and be able to say they moderate another N thousand users per day for zero pay. And people leap at that.
Until the users leave, nothing will happen. In a fucked way, reddit corporate are doing everyone a favor by removing the spineless “We are going to go silent for 24 hours with no real demands or bargaining power” idiocy.
At least you’re not the sucker doing it for free for the shareholders anymore.
I mean… everyone contributing all those super useful posts that everyone thinks are the only authoritative sources of information on the internet are doing exactly that.
Every time you provide some tech support or a bit of advice? You are providing reddit shareholders’ money.
Scabbing for reddit mod clout is utterly wild.
Many subs did that, so reddit substituted the mods for others that do as they are told.
The dndmemes protests were a pretty incredible thing while they lasted. The mods changed the subreddit to “nsfw” because that disabled most of the monetization. Then Reddit admins told them the subreddit obviously wasn’t really nsfw and to change it to accurately reflect the subreddit content.
…so the mods changed the subreddit rules to allow actual nsfw content and people went nuts. In multiple senses of the term.
Of course “accurately reflecting the subreddit” wasn’t what Reddit really cared about. They wanted to preserve the advertising stream for a popular subreddit, and this did the opposite of that. Reddit admins soon after basically said “remove nsfw content, restore the subreddit to what it used to be, do what we say or we’ll replace you with a mod team of our own choosing”.
Thanks for sharing this I guess I left before all of this happened and I haven’t heard any of it.
The problem is that this opens the door to far right bootlickers who a salivating at the idea of turning reddit into an even farther right shithole.
lol no if anything they’ve become far left shitholes.
Reddit would close the sub for being unmoderated until someone asks to be the new mod
mission accomplished? That has the same effect as making it private, doesn’t it?
Well, the power hungry mod that lost their power wouldn’t be very happy with it and larger communities wouldn’t stay closed very long
Reddit mods are such cucks for power that they cave when it’s threatened to be removed
A lot of subreddits have done that. The problem is nobody notices…
That’s what I did with all mine.
It’s amazing to me that so many people are willing to work as unpaid moderators so that Reddit’s investors can make more money.
There was this one post for a call for mods about “doing a social good for the community”.
Like bro, this is a video game subreddit. And you’re doing it for free, to help another dude get really rich.
Ideally, it would be because they care for the community they moderate, which I believe is the reason most mods do it.
Then you have creatures like awkwardtheturtle, who knows what motivates them.
I would assume Awkward is motivated by narcissism and/or because they’re a power-hungry freakazoid, but who knows? 🤷
I learned if you Google “fertility doctors who used own sperm”, there isn’t one or two incidents. It’s A LOT.
I don’t understand why anybody would do such a disgusting thing. but it helps me understand narcissism and power hungry behavior.
it’s power. power motivates and corrupts.
It’s amazing to me that so many people are willing to work as unpaid moderators so that Reddit’s investors can make more money.
Well it used to be (when Reddit was FLOSS and Reddit didn’t take communities off the founders who created them, at most they’d close the community) that people saw it as choosing Reddit to host the community instead of creating it somewhere else. However, Reddit has since changed the rules drastically, and essentially taken the communities people created there.
Best response for mods is to move your community somewhere else, and put in an automod rule redirecting people to the new community on Lemmy or whatever. Reddit will probably eventually try to take over and keep competing with your community under the original URL.
I was reading this post recently: https://howtomarketagame.com/2021/11/01/dont-build-your-castle-in-other-peoples-kingdoms/ - I guess it applies to communities equally as much as it applies to anything else.
If all mods quit that’d be perfect. Reddit has shown they’ll replace mods when they actually need to (or want to). But if no regular users wanted to pick it up then they’d have to pay admins to moderate. I don’t think we’ll see it though. There’s always going to be someone who wants it enough who has enough time for whatever reason.
Reddit has shown they’ll replace mods when they actually need to (or want to).
But, their business model doesn’t work unless those mods are working for free. So, while they may replace mods, unless people keep signing up to work for free to help a for-profit company deliver value to its shareholders, eventually it’s going to collapse.
so many leaders are forgetting what the point of protests is. yes, protests are annoying if you’re a leader. but they’re better than the alternative. that’s the whole point.
They’re better than the OLD alternative, which was total boycotting at best, and torches and pitchforks at worst. The NEW alternative is complaining about it for a week or two, then continuing on without making any changes at all. They don’t mind the new alternative.
The new alternative is becoming obsolete
I sure hope so, but I don’t see much changing. I guess we’ll see by looking at where Reddit is at business-wise by next year. People were saying it was doomed last summer after the 3rd party app fiasco, and their daily traffic has only gone up since then. I’ve long since lost all faith in the masses making the best choices for themselves.
their daily traffic has only gone up since then
well the number of bots has certainly surged…
Although the quality has noticeably decreased. The number of bots has shot up a ridiculous amount.
The quality on Reddit has really gone down with content creators disillusioned or gone, fake content everywhere (I’ve seen almost an entire scrollable thread copied comment-for-comment), and so many users wiping their comments.
The owners are acting like everything is fine, but I think there’s a good chance it keeps hollowing out until the appeal isn’t there even for casual users. They can’t really turn back at this point, they burned the bridge.
i’m not yet sold on this “old vs new” thing. while i do agree that it would be better if people were more engaged/active about boycotting things and pulling out the pitchforks, my understanding is that hasn’t been the historical precedent in situations like this. the pitchfork stuff certainly did happen quite a lot in the past, but my understanding is that it was for more extreme problems than a social media company shutting down third party apps (which many people didn’t even know about). but then again, it might be hard to compare this to the company transgressions of the past.
my understanding is that frustration is building, and if things continue in this direction, they will reach a tipping point where people do actually stop using the website all together and switch to alternatives. and, this ban on protests will give the reddit executives much less information on how close things are to that tipping point. (not to mention that the ban itself will probably accelerate things.)
but i could be mistaken about this, and i’m open to changing my mind on it.
You can’t even make an allusion to torches and pitchforks on Reddit. Legit, they’ll ban ya.
But that complacency isn’t happening to everyone. A lot are just festering, slowly digesting more incredulous and radical propaganda/influencers. Every ones base reality of the events that are happening over the country is getting completely skewed by the new types of outlets like tiktok that they flock to because of the lack of accountability by our elected officials and journalists/news organizations.
During just this last hurricane Helene I’ve heard more anger and outrage about the government than anything to actually do about what’s been hit or what the people and rescue workers are actually doing. This is how we get mass shooters and assassinations becoming more prolific, people aren’t just complaining and going about their day. They’re nodding and grinding their teeth while smiling.
I have made like, idk, maybe three reddit posts in the past year. Apart from incredibly specific niche topics which don’t have enough folks here to get a good answer, I don’t use Reddit.
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Protests: a pressure valve to release steam. You gotta let them get out there and march around for a little bit. Let them walk it off. Then proceed to implement the next new tyranny a little bit at a time.
Or just agree with what your betters want you to think, obviously. </s>
More hilarity: as of about a week ago, it appears the reddit algorithm has also started boosting posts with negative karma on their horrible mobile app. Guessing it’s a move towards ‘negative engagement’. I have not seen it myself (I don’t use the reddit app) but I see users complaining about it.
I have to imagine that when some c-level suit saw that term in his moth-eaten copy of “Social Media for Dummies,” I don’t think it was intended to be taken quite so flagrantly visibly literally…
This isn’t limited to the Reddit app. You can see it on the desktop and mobile website too.
So that’s what happened?! I rarely come here, but last weekend was so bad that I started updating my subscribed communities here.
I thought I interacted with too many downvoted posts, and screwed up what reddit thought were my main interests. Guess I was expecting too much from reddit…
(Copied from the thread on /c/Quark’s)
I quit as the top mod of /r/StarTrek in 2021 in protest against Reddit’s platforming of vaccine disinformation subreddits. Then in 2023 during the API protest, myself and several of the remaining mods (including mods from /r/Risa and /r/DaystromInstitute) started StarTrek.website.
The consensus I’ve seen on Lemmy has been largely “we don’t need to spread the word about our open platforms because Reddit will do something stupid again and there will be another protest and Lemmy will be promoted there”. So I hope we can take this as a lesson that we can’t rely on platforms being shitty in order to switch society over to open standards. We need to do our best to make Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed good as well as known.
Thanks for sharing this perspective. Complacency won’t grow the userbase here.
To be fair, a lot of users don’t seem to want the user base here to grow at all. I don’t feel that way but I’ve had enough discussions here to know that this is literally not the case for everyone and it kind of sucks because stagnation is how social networks die.
There is a point where more users may bring more downsides than upsides - but we haven’t reached that point yet. There are still many many niche communities that have no equivalent here and starting them would never take off with the current number of people.
I get not wanting to grow the userbase of lemmy.world which is already kinda bloated but there is basically infinite space for new instances to be added.
Thanks for bringing this up. I think I’ve heard this too and I have to say I’m of two minds about it.
In one end… I am frustrated with Reddit’s greed and I think they’ve lost most of my respect at this point. I think I’m kinda bitter toward them, so seeing them lose market share might bring me a bit of schadenfreude.
On the other hand, Reddit’s content quality really feels like it’s gone to crap in the last 5-6 years or so. When I came to Lemmy (and Mastodon), it was refreshing because the community seemed to have a bit of that scrappy, fringe attitude that I missed from early Reddit. I’d be sad if that went away due to over-population.
Basically, I like Lemmy and I want it to be even more successful so that algorithms have less control on our lives. At the same time, I dislike Reddit because they’re going whole-hog into enshittification. I guess I just convinced myself that I want Lemmy to continue to grow ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The difference is that Lemmy is not centralized. So it can’t really be over-populated. If an instance is poorly modded and doesn’t have that vibe you like you can find one that does. The more people using Lemmy the more options there will be, it’s the opposite of Reddit.
60k active users isn’t enough, really. 500k would be a great spot to be in, though.
Agreed. I can understand fearing being as bloated and bot filled as reddit. But we don’t need to grow that big to be a thriving active community of users.
started StarTrek.website.
I don’t use that because you are (or someone is) modding it wrong. You don’t allow people to talk about which parts of Star Trek they don’t like and others might want to avoid. Fuck that. All parts of Star Trek are not equally good.
What you guys did to the alternate Star Trek subs (ie: the ones that allowed criticism of NuTrek) is inexcusable and will never be forgiven.
Fuck that Subreddit. I called someone an idiot there and they banned me. I don’t know if this changed but at the time ALL the moderators were privated. I found out one moderators and called them them all cowards and losers. It was THAT exchange that got be banned from reddit entirely.
I came here and never looked back.
I quit as the top mod of /r/StarTrek in 2021 in protest against Reddit’s platforming of vaccine disinformation subreddits.
You quit reddit because they didn’t ban subreddits you don’t like?
https://time.com/7015026/meta-facebook-zuckerberg-covid-biden-pressure-censorship/
I quit because contributing my labor made me complicit.
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Harm? That is what would happen to their company if they explained what they meant by “harm”
Because certainly they don’t think brigades harm communities if they won’t trust mods to set subreddits as private
But the protests made it clear that letting moderators make their communities private at their discretion “could be used to harm Reddit at scale” and that work on this feature was “accelerated” because of the protests.
Because Reddit admins deserved that harm. We’ve handed them all this free data and resource and they decided it was theirs.
“Those who make community protest impossible will make hacks inevitable."
― John F. Kennedy, pretty much
Reddit is one of the most infiltrated and astroturfed site. I have absolutely no confidence that the leadership are interested in addressing that. When there were suspicions it was anti-US actors, they had to take action because the government would get involved. But we all know that such pressure doesn’t exist for other astroturfing actors, state and private.
The Lebanon subreddit might as well be a zionist propaganda reddit.
All the Lebanese got banned?
I got permabanned from reddit because I said to a zionist who accused all Lebanese of blaming all their problems on Israel ‘no, we just blame Israel for what it deserves blame for’ and apparently that constituted a call to violence against a marginalized group.
Meanwhile the amount of genocide justification and thinly veiled threats of genocide almost always go unpunished. Stuff like saying that no one in the world cares for Lebanon except its cuisine and landscape (implying the people can disappear and nothing will be lost) or telling people not to worry about future problems, implying that they will soon entirely annhiliate Lebanon.
This isn’t even just it. Anyone calling out the sheer amount of propagandists or showing how real the Hasbara program is (look it up) will get their posts removed. Even the Syria subreddit is packed with low-effort videos and anti-Lebanese propaganda. For example: Any show of what appears to be crowds of people celebrating is attributed to Syrians celebrating the death of Nasrallah, and any violence happening is automatically attributed to Hezbollah Lebanese (or even Lebanese in general) just attacking Syrians for nothing.
Those videos show no indication of who the people are or what they are doing, and that is how you know it is fake. They also keep making huge claims of Hezbollah conducting massive bombing operations in Syria against random civilians when there is not the slightest shred of evidence to support that, not even news articles or reports from Israeli sources. Just show a bunch of amublance workers and then claim it is a Hezbollah bombing.
It is as depressing as it is disgusting.
Ohh I am well aware of these clowns lol
I did my part prior to existing reddit. So this checks out.
Zionist support among mods is also super strong it is ducking weird… But if you look at media and entertainment, it checks out.
Fedi is one of the few people where people are having these discussions in ernest, this discussion can’t had much else where
Yeah. I got back on reddit with an alternate account and a VPN, the month I spent off kinda cooled down my appetite for that place. I still get a lot of news from it, so technically I don’t need to post as much but… fuck me, I hated zionists before and right now I cannot describe my loathing for those people.
Seeing genocide real time with 100% backed by your government (presume US here tbh) will trigger a taxpayer…
Israel was able to fly under the rader but since oct7, many people really started to learn to what actually happened. and no amount of propaganda can fix that.
me and my homies hate israel… it is an abomination.
When something grows to that size it becomes recognized as a useful tool with which to conduct social engineering. Reddit has been a weapon of information warfare for well over a decade.
Yes, what shocks me most is that there was a small window of time in which media organizations covered Israel’s troll farms on there, but when Russiagate happened they essentially mentioned it only in passing from then on. To me, the subtext of that was Israel gets a pass as it’s not belligerent social engineering.
It just occurred to me that convincing someone of leaving a social media site is a lot like convincing someone to leave a big city.
They have friends there and have grown accustomed to the vibrant and diverse activities, but realistically nothing they do or have there can’t be replicated in a smaller town, a smaller media site.
They’re liable to put up with a lot of shit to stay with their community, but eventually people get pushed out and find greener pastures and a quiet space for themselves elsewhere. At least, that’s what I attribute to what I perceive to be a higher average age on the fediverse.
I’m too old to find the constant stimulation and activity attractive anymore, and I much prefer the freedom to move around and be choosy about my media choices.
“While we are making this change to ensure users’ expectations regarding a community’s access do not suddenly change, protest is allowed on Reddit,” writes Nestler. “We want to hear from you when you think Reddit is making decisions that are not in your communities’ best interests. But if a protest crosses the line into harming redditors and Reddit, we’ll step in.”
Yall have very clearly demonstrated that you do not care about the communities best interest, and you have no interest in hearing what we think. Fuck Spez and good riddance to reddit
They’ve made it incredibly clear that anything you post on their platform is theirs, and if they do something you don’t like you can go fuck yourself.
Fuck Reddit.
Oh absolutely, my account has been overwritten (as if that does anything ) and deleted for over a year now.
It does. I was looking something up and ran face first into a redacted account that once had the answer I needed. I was very conflicted about it.
Calling making a subreddit private “harming redditors and Reddit” is insane
“We’re hurting our users? No YOU are harming our users.”
uno reversed
“we won’t let moderators harm their communities by not letting them eg. protect their communities from brigades and similar harassment”
Sure you thought that through, reddit admins?
