And lemmy, when you use filter new and new comment is almost exactly like mastodon. :)

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@schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business pour Lemmy@lemmy.ml • How would you feel about Lemmy being able to pull in hashtags from the Fediverse? 1•

It’s more about the quality of the content: you posted more than a couple hundred characters and thus were able to clearly outline what you wanted, why, and how you thought that would improve things.

Mastodon has the twitter problem where it’s short-form hot-takes and basically no good long-form content, other than like, to link to somewhere else for the good content.

I don’t have a lot of use for that kind of content especially in a format where it’s hard to respond to and have an actual conversation. Most twitter-clone UIs don’t do a good job of threading and nesting comments in a way that you can easily follow along and have conversations with the people engaged in discussion.

I’m old and like the forum-style interface where people can write out a complete thought, engage in a formatted discussion that’s easy to follow along with, and does so in a way that lets other people easily hop in at any point.

So I’d say it’s less about the idea of unifying platforms on a single identity (which I think is a great idea and firmly agree that having some sort of Fediverse SSO would make this a lot easier of a sell for less technical users) but more that dumping a pile of low-quality content into a place with reasonably good content isn’t actually improving anything.

(I would also qualify this with a comment that I’m old enough that my first “fediverse service” was FidoNet, so I’m reasonably sure I have a different opinion on the value of a well-designed platform for a single specific task vs making one that can do everything for everyone.)

Interesting, thank for sharing your experience. :)

Yes, we need a short of fediverse SSO. I think nomadic account as hubzilla one would fit it nicely. For the SSO, i imagine is as our email address. And the alias are fedi-account. We may guide user to find their server : do you wwrite lenghty or short message ? Are you on phone or PC ? Which UI ddo you prefer ?

Well i often miss forum period because the content was better that was phpbb golden era. I see twitter/mastodon message as a live chat format where you can find someone talking about your interest with hashtag. It’s where i can take a break and share a bit of my life and see what’s going on. Compared to lemmy, i find mastodon more playful.

I use mastodon for political post because of their anoying and useful text limitation. I love debating. The problem is that with some users it ended up to a full scale nuclear wars where i spent lot time write to defend my stance. I’m the kind of guy to believe in police and anarchy, so you understand how it can end up very badly.

The 500 characters help me to keep quiet and don’t fall in a needlessy argumentation. And the fact i didn’t setup as an all-in software allow me to isolate when i need some love. :)

For Iceshrimp, it’s a cross-over between mastodon and lemmy with one of the most beautiful UI. I have 3000 characters and it’s a good balance between lenghty text and short of. I only miss the forum UI.

Two months ago, I spent dozen hours setting up my alts account on peculiar.florist and mastodon…subcription, filters, contacts, keyword alert. They also act as whole a community with topics.

I just want to settle a bit. I moved a lot to mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, kbin… :)

Just to give you a rough idea, i spent lot time building these list that are a mix of lemmy and mastodon. And when i did that, i configured tusky.

It takes time. If it was one year ago, i would easily change software. For now i’m waiting that fediverse software improve.

So it won’t happen until next year. :)

As i recall the problem with mastodon and lemmy was tied to activitypub technical side : group and individual.

i talked about kbin, i had an account there one year ago. Last time when i tried kbin, i couldn’t find my way, it wasn’t pleasant. Mbin probably improved that. so with mbin It is probably a thing of the past but i have to try once.

I know. It was a kbin fork, so if it didn’t work well i would be very very sad. 😊

• Kbin works very well with Lemmy. (Group)
• Mastodon work well with Iceshrimp. (Individual)

However, where it won’t work it’s when we try to mix individual and group. That’s why i do think fediverse software should support both.

For now i have enough account, mainly on iceshrimp where i crosspost to lemmy so i can connect both side and allow people from mastodon to reach us and write to us. 😊

Well on tedomum, they argued a lot about it because they couldn’t moderate an user that didn’t speak their language. Very interesting topic. :)

It’s not i want “everything at one place” but “i want to break free” :

https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=NkAm0u3lqH8

Let’s forget mastodon, lemmy, those aren’t the essence of my ideas. Before we had people on twitter, people on facebook, people on youtube. Those were walled garden.

I’m striving for nomadic account (concept taken from hubzilla) and fediverse.

I should have one social account where i can talk to people whatever are their software.

That’s the main reason, i was attracted by fediverse concept and word. Its selling point was freedom and bit of privacy :

• I should be able to post, comment, like on mastodon, lemmy, pixelfed, peertube…without any restriction. And follow any account, community without any restriction except user, community and server choice.

• I should be able to migrate on any software, with my contacts, communities and blocklist. And it should self-update and tell my contact, if i allow it that my adress has changed.

That’s what i would call the fediverse. Otherwise, i call it lemmyverse, mastoverse, peertubeverse, pixelverse. So it don’t confuse anyone. We can do that just a little due to technical limitation of activitypub.

However, if that’s our aim, then the software will slowly drift toward those two tabs and come up with different UI flavour.

I think we should just stop using “fediverse” word as we perpetuate the same walled garden as proprietary software. That’s misleading.

The very essence of freedom is that no user shall be tied to a software.

But, please, that’s my personal view on the fediverse. I’m curious, how do you imagine the fediverse ? Do you just want the same thing as Reddit with tags ? :)

You could access all of the Jlai.lu communities via Mbin

Well it will be hard for moderators if i’m the only one posting french content on an english server. ^^

I understand it better now, you are right, thank a lot for sharing your point of view. :)

So Lemmy should be my my choice due to its apps with moderation tool (jerboa, thunder). i mainly use my mobile to post content and moderate. I’m almost never in front of my computer.

As an app Tusky fit very well as it is able to manage mastodon and iceshrimp flawlessy. And tusky may support lemmy. Why ?

Iceshrimp plan to support lemmy in december 2024. So i’m curious to see how it will evolve because they also have a group tab as kbin/mbin called magazine. And they have a good relationship with tusky dev.

Currently, magazine isn’t used a lot, but if i’m guessing it right, it will support lemmy community.

Well, you know that we can’t migrate that easily given the community we built together. But i do think that’s the way and the futur of fediverse software. :)

Last time i tried kbin/mbin it was messy, i couldn’t get a graps on their UI and their name.

If mbin remove lot things it would be easier, we only need two tabs to ensure the best intertorability between fediverse software.

Edit : i just went there, i think there is less option in the menu but i can’t compare their evolution.

I notice Mbin is very similar to iceshrimp. Once the rewritting of iceshrimp in C is done, i think they will share lot conmon ground.

For now, i prefer piefed and their subcategorie.

Edit 2 : and the only french forum/reddit is jlai.lu so my choice are limited :)

You can create a tab : one where you see users you follow, another one where you see community. And in your setting, you can deactivate it, even block being followed by users.

So there won’t be any noise. And when you click on hashtag, you can switch beetween : local, lemmyverse, fediverse user…and also limit the hashtag to the 10th most recent message.

So you won’t have any noise. That something you can limit.

I use iceshrimp. I think lemmy is missing a lot from hashtag.

As i see :

Lemmy is not part of the fediverse but a lemmyverse. It lacks connection with other software and other software lacks connection to lemmy. I think we need to build a bridge between microblog and forum.

In the french fediverse community, our main base of users come from mastodon. And i would like to reach them.

I saw, in activitypub the ability to share and post whatever is your software. A complete freedom where you just need one account.

There is differents purpose, but i do think offering people both is good : microblog and forum. And i think the fediverse will slowly move toward that. With a UI for individual and other for community.

And hashtags do both :

• It allows post to be discoverable by other apps in the fediverse.
• It allows people to search and find any post of comment on a related topic.

So, i think piefed will grow a lot.

It hugely depends on what post, and what community. Political, scientific one, i post plenty of them and often i don’t care. Video game, interesting topic, environmental, art design…i don’t care.

And the one about sign langage i just want to deactivate downvote on this community, Why ? So you just have to chose between ignore or upvote. Because 99,99% of you, in the fediverse aren’t deaf.

Masto, iceshrimp doesn’t have downvote system. I often post from them to lemmy and it works well.

I don’t see why, my idea is in fact closer to gitlab/github where issue have their own tag.

That’s what i dream for lemmy and it would improve its organisation :)

There still can be points such as low post quality, misinformation, outdated data, discrimination of certain people etc.

True, but not in this community !pi_sourd@jlai.lu if them don’t like those post, they can leave it as it is.

Awww that’s called egoism. And also idk what client you use but on mine (Jerboa) downvoted posts stay in the timeline. Probably you just confused Lemmy with Reddit.

Nope, we noticed that some of our post diseaspered on our timeline. It was part on a heated debate about desactiving downvote 4 month ago.

Maybe it has been patched since on Lemmy.

Too complex. You’ll have 2-3 votes on every hashtag at most. Implement subcommunity categories instead. It’d be more useful

I believe the opposite, it is way more informative compared to the voting system. I can upvote because of a cute cat, in the picture, it doesn’t tell you why i upvoted. Maybe people downvoted because the post wasn’t filtered with langage option ? Or maybe because it was boring ?

I believe collaborative hashtag would greatly help semantic research.

Nope, I’m just a moderator. Maybe i will setup my own instance : sublinks or piefed. Lemmy will soon allow moderators to check vote and it’s up to the admin to activate it. if i recall correctly.

So i will simply ban on my own community**, that mean only the smallish community on the fediverse about sign language. Why ? because it’s about deaf culture, deaf history…so i don’t see the point of downvoting.

Wonse, when you downvote, my post diseaspear from the timeline.

Honnestly, I don’t accept people with this kind of mentality. I prefer people that explain why they disagree.

if i could disable downvote on my community it would be better, but currently it’s not possible. Or maybe a popup to blacklist the community when you click on downvote ?

Well, month ago,i wrote a post for rewanping the voting system. For example instead of dowvoting because the post is in german instead of english, we can have a tag/hashtag system with threesold.

As #spam and 10 people vote. Or good article, bad article, complex, sad, scary, not fun…and everyone add them and vote for the most revalent tag/hashtag.

And with this we can improve by leap and bound lemmy search.

Sorry for the long off topic, i let my toughts loose again. :)

That’s some dedication. :/ I even got down vote for video in sign language, i don’t understand their point as they don’t talk.

As soon as i can check who vote, i will ban them.

Ya true quite cool :) that’s a shame that you get some bad voting for suggesting that :/

Both are good :)