You already announced you use Arch… So you’re doing good

Github is probably the biggest code hosting platform. There is literally no evidence that Microsoft will discontinue it… And they’ve spent a huge amount of time integrating it. It also generates 1 billion in revenue, so why would Microsoft sell it? Furthermore, its free for open source…

Self hosting is part of the reason our project failed… We wasted a lot of time with that stuff. We used Mercurial, whatever the Canonical one was, and git, and we wasted a lot of time.

Github works, and is well integrated to everything

So… just to repeat myself for the 300th time

This is a good example of why people use GitHub

Because it’s an advantage that it’s hosted by a large company like Microsoft. There’s very little chance it’s going to be shut down or sold off. So developers don’t need to worry about their infrastructure as much

One of our projects failed because we got caught up in infrastructure.

It’s funny though how the people who are the most vocal against GitHub aren’t responding to this post. But they’re happy to make the biggest deal about every little button on it…

As others have said. Just use opensteeetmaps.

They’re the best (even for hiking)

Absolutely it can.

But Redhat is a huge contributor

The biggest threat that Linux faces isn’t from Microsoft or other companies. Over the past 30 years, I’ve noticed it is actually from the community. I’ve seen so many cases where the community blows things out of proportion and scares off developers. It sucks. Linux and open source would be so much more successful if we didn’t constantly make open source toxic for companies

Poor people like Lennart Poettering get shat on constantly too. He could get a much better paying job

Even right now… VSCode. It’s open source and MIT. People are STILL crapping on Microsoft and saying stuff like “oh wait for the enshittification”, instead of thanking them, or encouraging them for more

It’s bonkers… There’s so much negative reinforcement out there that it’s scaring people away

Err… Those are bad examples.

Skype was bad before microsoft lol. If anything, Microsoft actually made it more usable… Skype was NEVER good lol

And very few people in the real world have an issue with Github. The evidence is that you’ll notice projects aren’t moving away from it, and Github is growing fast. I found there’s a small number of people making 99.99% of the noise (like the first main “enshiffication” post on Lemmy, which was mainly pointing towards comments made by a developer without many commits and as a open source project, they weren’t even paying for github). If you want a good example, Sourceforge would be a better one (although, it’s possible even they cleaned up their act)

Nobody would call VS Code bloated or anything. There are some things I don’t like, but i have tried so many IDE’s in the past 20 years, and can honestly say that VS Code survived because its hugely easier, and it’s actually a high quality product. Anyone who has tried stuff like Atom or Eclipse will attest to that (Eclipse was great at the time, but was painfully slow)

I did see a post about a rust one upcoming that did seem interesting, but its really just a slightly faster version of VS Code (and VS Code itself is no slouch).

But vscode hasn’t gone to shit…

Lots of things have also gotten popular without going to shit either.

What issues specifically?

It takes maybe 10 minutes to find good extensions and get them set up

So what are you going to do about it?

Unless you contribute code or assist existing projects, nothing will change…

Pipewire is developed by a Redhat employee… A lot of projects are including policykit… No they don’t own it, and yeah, they’re all open source and are freely used by the community

From my experience with development, a lot of these projects primarily succeed because they have a lot of backing. Also, someone needs to start them off, and a lot of these projects are also started by redhat

But you probably trust them for every other project like pipewire and such?

In practice, Linux is that it is today thanks to Redhat.

Half of what you’re writing isn’t really true.

You’re likely assuming a lot of that.

Everyone knows that Oracle was the reason. Sorry, but they basically bragged that they stole the latest rhel source code and added an unbreakable kernel. And they purposely targeted Redhats customers with support by stealing their work.

In other words, their only other choice was to basically close shop… Oracle has been screwing them for years,

Also, sorry, but is it disrespectful when a company drops a project? We could make that same comment about every project. Also, CentOS is open source, as you said, so anyone can download it . They didn’t.

You’re also likely assuming they’re not pouring a huge amount of resources into it too

The perfect current example of rhel improving Linux is pipewire. They are literally unfucking Linux one component at a time in large chunks. It’s insane that people here are treating them so badly.

In fact, the community has no problems mistreating Linux developers over tiny things, which is why developers like myself which have been badly attacked in the past have stopped contributing

To be blunt…

Redhat contributes a huge amount to the community.

The only ones who think they’re misstepping or whatever are just making noise and likely aren’t even using RHEL.

I don’t think people realise exactly how far their contributions go for usability, and getting rid of Redhat of actually a really bad thing for Linux.

I’d even argue, the only people complaining about this likely don’t contribute anything to Linux anyway…

The only thing they did is stop oracle pulling their repo, rebranding and selling support slightly cheaper.

Yes… Similarly, there are lots of browsers that failed too… KHTML for instance is what Chrome and safari was based off…

They have a huge number of projects they tried… Including their own mobile phone OS which they were actively shipping (it’s a pity it didn’t survive, would have been nice to have a 3rd OS)

It’s really a risk / time payoff here. The reality is, when you see projects like this, there are 20 more which fail.

When you have limited resources, things like Firefox VPN actually make sense, because its low risk (there’s a lot of competitors, but its fast to implement).

An office suite takes a huge amount of resources, and is a lot of work.

VPN’s do have their uses. But, I agree… 99% of it is scum marketing

Yeah. Maybe I’m just old (I’m 40).

I would be happy to donate. But, the reality is… donations don’t work in my experience. One of my projects went FrontPage on all the major tech sites (and even was mentioned in Linux format magazine).

I got $300 in donations.

$250 was from a person I knew…

Backend projects often get screwed more, and I guess you probably need to hope you get supported by companies like Redhat ultimately. This may be why in my case. But backend projects always have people dissing them (frontend projects just need to look good and markety)

I think what’s more important is that it’s open source to be honest. We’re actually lucky we still have Mozilla honestly.

In Mozilla browser days (after Netscape), id imagine it would have been a struggle to get a good pay. The people still there I suspect took a massive risk, and could have moved to lots of other companies like Google instead quite easily

I think they deserve to get rewarded…

Rich guy?

Presumably that is about Mitchell Baker… A woman… who was there since the beginning when the company was failing…

The new CEO is also a woman and a temp CEO, who I’m guessing will again be replaced by an existing employee. Which guy are you referring to?

What browser projects are you assisting with or donating to?

Are you assisting with any open source projects at all?

The biggest problem with the oss community is that as a developer, you need to accept always that you’ll get treated like absolute dirt by the community.

One of my projects went FrontPage on many major Linux sites, and I ended up dropping it because I got tired of the abuse.

You’ll get plenty of people contributing nothing to your project or competing ones, but they’ll tell you the 50 different ways you suck

I donated back when Firefox was in beta. They were a dying company back then.

Are you saying open source developers shouldn’t be rewarded at all?

You’re actually wrong. They did when they started.

I know because I donated

The funny thing is that the people who complain most about stuff like this, tend to be the people who contribute the least.

If you don’t like them making money to support development, you’re more than welcome to work full time on developing it for free

That’s not why people move to big hosters.

They move because you don’t need to waste money managing them, and they have reliable backup

We used to host our own, but big providers are so cheap and have such a good interface that it doesn’t make sense to host our own.

It’s the same reason why most companies don’t host their own web servers.

Even large corporations use AWS or similar.

I gave it a test… I’m personally missing a markdown preview extension, and FIXME highlight extension

Well… I just tested it… And actually it seems closer than I thought…

I have no idea though why they used screenshots without a project pane and such. It supports extensions and such too…

I can’t see a FIXME Extension though that highlights it yet though… Or a markdown preview extension (which I definitely need)