• masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    Which system could we expect to live under that would reform

    We have seen all kinds of attempts to “reform” capitalism - from Lenin’s “state capitalism” to the US’s New Deal to our current “Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics” All of them leaves the door open for the eventual re-establishment of the capitalist mode of production and it’s inevitable class domination.

    what system would this task require?

    We require a system of direct democracy. Some will call that anarchism, or socialism, or “council communism”… but it will all boil down to the exact same thing.

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      24 hours ago

      Last two questions and I’ll be done bothering you.

      Do you believe we can achieve those systems with our current world order? (Liberal-facsism)

      How do you implement direct democracy and scale it without interference from the capital class?

      I’m a big fan of anarchism and socialism but, it’s still my opinion that the best way for us to achieve those systems are a transitionary period emerging from a liberal democracy. I feel all other ways will be orders of magnitude worse for humanity.

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        21 hours ago

        Do you believe we can achieve those systems with our current world order? (Liberal-facsism)

        Yes. But only in the chaos caused by the disasters this world order itself inflicts on the world.

        How do you implement direct democracy and scale it without interference from the capital class?

        You can’t. It has to be done with the understanding that the capitalist class will do it’s utmost to destroy you.

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          18 hours ago

          This was fundamentally my argument. It would be preferable for things to get better under liberal democracy.

          That isn’t the case and by many people’s estimation could never be the case. This is juxtaposed with the idea things can only get better with the degradation of the current world order.

          Thanks for talking with me. Best of luck in the coming years.