• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    But for example replacing sudo is needed.

    Seriously asking: what’s wrong with Sudo? And aren’t there already loads of alternatives?

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      5 months ago

      systemd nightmare needs to end. Too many broken garbage from malicious actors within the opensource community.

      Just as an experiment, get every distro to have at least 2 or 3 SysVInit / runit / rc.init alternatives, and you will see a MASS Migration back to SysVInit. Bash/shell script init functions were really dead simple and almost unbreakable/hackerproof.

      Systemd really needs to be thrown in the garbage dumps of history so we can finally have a UNIX-like boot back.

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        5 months ago

        As someone who writes bash scripts, fuck no, this is a terrible language and it shouldn’t be used for anything more complex than sticking two programs together.

        Also, parallelism goes right out of the window.

        Maybe you’d convince me with a real programming language.

        • maniii@lemmy.world
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          Corpo sabotage of opensource. So many community projects are under the thumb of corpo insiders. It was a “cash-grab” a way to shoehorn and takeover an essential but mostly unchanged and stable Init system. And they shimmed that into everything they could ram it into with no options or alternatives.

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            What exactly did companies gain from making Linux distros switch over to systemd?

            If anything, the switch ment a loss of productivity as their staff needed to relearn stuff, not to mention loss of technical knowledge as there would be others who simply would not accept the change and leave the company when the change happened.

            This means increased costs, either due to retraining, or due to needing to hire new staff which is expensive.

            Meanwhile, I can’t see anything that would mean that companies would earn or even save enough money to make it worth the effort of making distros implement systemd.

            Ok so doing it for direct gain seems to be out, but you mention “corpo sabotage of opensource”, I can’t really see that either, a developer won’t move a successful Linux project to Windows, AIX, Solaris, Darwin or HP-UX just because of a move to systemd.

            So even indirect gain seems to be out, so “corpo sabotage” doesn’t really seem plausible.

            But, I may be wrong, please, tell us how exactly a move to systemd has benefited companies enough that it would make the effort and expense to make a distro move to sytemd, let alone a majority of distros, worth it.

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              But, I may be wrong, please, tell us how exactly a move to systemd has benefited companies enough that it would make the effort and expense to make a distro move to sytemd, let alone a majority of distros, worth it.

              you’re putting to much thought in something that even the guy who you’re asking didn’t

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        5 months ago

        that’s some high ammount of copium from someone that never made a distro