I realize that this is a very hot political season. Its impossible to keep a “good vibes” feel with this year’s election politics, so I’m not asking for “Don’t be an Ass” or other such naive statement. But please try to be on your best behavior. This is “BestOfLemmy”, and not a political debate site.
I’ve nuked a couple of subthreads that have gotten too hot. Please report anything you think is unhelpful to the greater discussion. I’ll remove distracting posts as I see them, but I don’t promise “good moderation” here. I’m just gonna cleanup what I can see and when I see it.
The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.
This is my guiding principle for moderation. This isn’t a debate subsite, or debate community. I’m not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).
So to you, the best of Lemmy is “vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”? And ON TOP OF THAT, you want people to accept it or get their comment deleted? What kind of reasoning is that? You could just remove such an obviously inflammatory post instead of acting in such way. Especially since you literally admitted this is not to encourage a conversation or a debate:
This isn’t a debate subsite, or debate community. I’m not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).
I’m sure new users will love to see this kind of behavior by the mods of this community
That’s what you took from their comment?
That’s literally what they wrote. I even quoted them. At least read the whole comment before writing nonsense
Okay. So… I took your advice and I read their whole comment, and I’m now left to ask:
That’s what you took from their comment?
I’m deleting the worst of posts that have degenerated into just two members insulting each other over and over again.
You can see the topic is mostly open for your discussion. Just don’t make your posts devolve into useless bullshit and I’ll keep the posts up.
I know it’s careful balance and it’s basically impossible to get it correct on political topics. But I’ll do my best.
I’m simply being honest here. I’m not going to let 5+ posts of insults just stay around here. But this is also a topic with literally hundreds of comments so I’ll be making mistakes as a moderator.
I’m not passing out bans here, yet anyway. I’m just deleting posts that have gone off the rails (as well as the threads / earlier posts that led to overheated discussion).
It’s my second day on lemmy. I came from Reddit because their moderation is so careless.
I am so tired of moderators using their power to police discussions, rather than keep people safe. Anyone can walk away from an argument at any time; you’re not protecting them from that. In fact, what you’re doing is silencing them at a time when they’re frustrated and have no where else to vent. They come here because they need to get it out.
I’m going to start looking for another platform. People like you are the reason I left Reddit.
Its almost as if the system of unpaid volunteer moderators has its limits.
I’m here on Lemmy because as limited as the system of unpaid volunteer moderators is… its better than the CEO of Reddit who has begun to influence the discussion from the top down. If there is a system of unpaid volunteer moderators, at least they should be supported. And Lemmy seems to be place for that.
We’re all very sad about whatever you’re being offended by when adults are in the room.
So… if you don’t get to say whatever you want with zero consequences, you threaten to leave?
Enjoy the walk back to Reddit, and tell the bots we said hello!
My friend, Reddit is still a worse option in my opinion.
I mean, I literally came on this post and started calling out the mod. But you see what they did?
I wasn’t banned. My comments weren’t deleted. Instead they engaged my talking points and tried to offer their opinion instead. I didn’t call them an asshole, they didn’t call me an idiot. We are just talking and disagreeing.
You are never going to find anything like that over Reddit.
Feel free to browse around the different instances though. You might disagree with the mod of this community and/or instance, but you can always find a different one that better fits your views if you think this is a dealbreaker for you.
Finally, Lemmy is very young compared to Reddit. It doesn’t have nearly the same amount of tools available to mods, and yet it’s already more transparent with its mod logs being so open and accessible.
Welcome to Lemmy by the way! We are trying our best lol
You left reddit because of mods… not the other million things spez and co has done? Have fun on the next platform, friend.
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“Vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor” is not an opinion anymore. You’re an American traitor if you vote for somebody who’s killing the rule of law from within. The destruction of America that Putin wants will not be militarily.
You’re not a traitor. You are just proving the point I made below in my comments about not knowing anything about the user and mindlessly accusing them. You’re also just talking about unrelated stuff since nobody has mentioned Putin, so miss me with your scare tactics and focus on what we’re talking about instead of going off your own tangent. Do better
“vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”?
More like, vote against the conservative-fascist coalition if you don’t want the US destroyed. If you’re skeptical, we can open up any history book and read about how the German conservative-fascist ruling coalition of the 1930s turned out.
I’m not skeptical. I know exactly what I said and your paternalistic tone is not necessary. You’re not the only one who heard of the Nazi, you know? We are all very aware.
It’s not even about the post itself (even though it’s an extremely low effort screenshot). It’s about the fact that, a community that is supposed to showcase the best of Lemmy, is:
- Proudly showing that this kind of post is supposed to represent Lemmy, which would be sad
- Moderated by someone who legitimately is defending such low effort memes (and honestly mentality) without even pretending that it’s for the sake of engaging in a conversation.
It’s literally just a screenshot of a comment with 4 upvotes that is proudly saying “follow my reasoning and stfu. Otherwise you hate your country”. And the mod is in the comments saying “yeah, agree with this and myself or I’ll delete your comment. I might ban you too depending on how I feel. After all, this is not a conversation”.
And you can tell this is exactly what is happening because every single user that is pointing out how hypocritical and low effort this is, is getting downvoted to hell and called a fascist. And keep in mind, you don’t even know how I’m going to vote in all of this. You and most users here are just attacking other users because they are voicing a different opion than “vote for Harris or you’re a traitor”…Now THAT is truly the best of Lemmy: mindlessly downvoting and replying with a snarky joke.
Part of the reason why I nuked entire discussions is because its an effective way to stop the downvoting, dogpiling, and snarkiness. I’m doing what I can here. Its a big topic, I’m not going to be here all day and I’m the only moderator. I’m ultimately going to have to trust all of you to be on better behavior when I leave to do my things today.
Real talk. I’m trying to set up the conditions for this thread to work out even in my limited absences. I cannot promise prompt deletions or even “fairness” in these circumstances. Chances are, I’m going to come back and there’s going to be 5 hours of back-and-forth trash, downvoting, yadda yadda. I’m not an idiot, I can see and 100% expect that this will happen. When that happens, I’ll have no choice but to delete the whole sub-discussion, starting from the moment it got heated.
And yet, this topic isn’t breaking any rule that I’ve set up ahead of time. And I’m not seeing it as such a massive problem that I need to invent a new rule to specifically nuke this particular topic. I’ve listed out my reasoning for the two rules of this community already. If you want to argue on the basis of those rules (or alternatively, if you want to propose a 3rd rule to be added), I’m willing to meta-discuss the rules with you here.
But don’t take my “delete comment” movements for something else. Lemmy has very few tools for moderation. On other forums, I would have edited yall’s posts rather than delete them outright. I’m forced to delete because its against Lemmy’s philosophy to allow moderator-edits to posts.
I’m not trying to make you feel bad with the “delete comment”. Its just honestly the smallest bit of action I can do on Lemmy. I’m not trying to threaten you, I’m not trying to cause anyone any kind of grief. I get it, its a political topic and you have opinions you want to get out. So talk, get them out. I’ll do what I can to keep the best of the discussions up but I’ll also be deleting the dogpiles as they come up.
Moderating is a pain in the ass. We appreciate ya
This post being presented as the best of Lemmy with all the downvote brigading for wrongthink is making me want want to leave Lemmy again. I used to run an instance a while back before the first reddit migration and just gave up (when lemmy.ml and lemmygrad was dominating the lemmyverse) and this whole mess of a post have only made it seem like everything is worse.
And that’s after I’ve spent the last two weeks blocking users I find awful instead of spending all that time insulting and downvoting people “that have the wrong opinion”.
Maybe the best of Lemmy is downvotes and snarky “don’t let the door hit your ass in the way out” comments? I see no point I’m mentioning what seems like the worst of Lemmy these days.
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Thank you mod!
The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.
This is what you want new people to see? “vote for my candidate or you hate America”? Propaganda bullshit? I’m sure I’ll write in a candidates name as I do every four years as, once again, neither major party is worthy of my vote, but the arrogance of people like you makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite.
News flash bud:
You don’t get to just show your ass and then expect people to kiss it. That’s not how it works. You’re not entitled to anyone’s respect when you refuse to offer it yourself. We all saw you all whine and cry in 2016 and again in 2020. You’re no different now.
So no, you don’t get the respect you demand just because you can stomp your feel loud enough.
Theres a reason no one takes any of you seriously,
You taught them not to.
Are you drunk? What the hell are you talking about? Showing your ass? Respect being demanded? Kissing my ass? Who was whining? Who is “any of you”?
:/
Voting for fascism out of spite lmao
That’s exactly what they do. One in ten Bernie Bros voted for Trump in 2016.
That should tell you all you need to know.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true either lol
What if I hate America and voted for Kamala?
Thank you for having more mercy than hatred.
God, is there anywhere that isn’t full of US politics???
It’s because it’s nearing their election it’s ramping up.
Voting is already ongoing in many states, today crossed 40 million early votes. For the next 1.5wk avoiding politics and crazy advertisements for/against candidates is impossible if you live in the US. Given the size of the country and its worldwide economic dominance it’s impossible to not be impacted by US politics regardless of where you live.
USAmerican politics really seeps into every nook and cranny on the goddamn web. I’d much rather read about something happening in the rest of America than USAmerica. It gets really annoying…
Why do people keep saying USAmericans? It looks and sounds stupid, you can just say Americans, everyone will know who you’re talking about .
Because USians didn’t stick, but their pompousness continued on. E: in the form of saying usamericans
I prefer burgerlanders personally.
Most xenophobes do.
^worlds lamest attempt at insulting someone.
Not an insult, just a description
Ask someone from South America
Does anyone else in the world call them Americans? No and you know it
OMG, how could I have forgotten that the country taking up less than a quarter of two continents, both called America, called dibs on “American”? Sorry Beta #1. I shall discard the fact that there are 34 other countries which use the demonym “American”.
I didn’t know geographical size denoted who gets to claim being called Americans. You’re arguing in bad faith and you know it, because you know no one else in the world calls anyone else Americans except for people from the United States of America. It’s silly to argue otherwise, I’m not saying anything controversial here.
People love being anti-american contrarians on the internet even if it means being abhorrently wrong.
Nothing’s stopping you from reading anything else? The internet as a whole is mostly american-based, so there’s plenty out there to read about.
The internet as a whole is mostly american-based
Well that’s a narrow-minded view…
It is though. Not saying it should be that way or that it should remain that way, or that there aren’t internet spaces out there that aren’t American based. Just that the large majority of it is.
Ok, but what if I hated America before Chump lowered himself from TV host to Presidential Candidate?
Like back in the G-Dub days I was asking Tshirt shops if they’d make “Death to America” shirts for me. (Only ever found 2 btw which was very brave of them in post 9/11 USA)
Then you can continue to gain fulfillment from your own sense of smug superiority, and normal people will continue to not care that you do.
Good. I’m old and salty. I like to eat Chinese Takeout and hate America. This is what I do instead of drink.
“Dear diary,”
I wish we’d get a candidate that didn’t run purely on hey look how shitty trump is. It’s so lazy and barely worked last time.
https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
She has a website that very clearly explains her platform.
It doesn’t though. She states what she wants to do, but not how she will do them. Because she doesn’t know how things work. She says she’s cutting taxes, but then talks only about child tax credits. Sorry, tax credits is not the same as cutting taxes, and the credits she’s talking about doesn’t help everyone, just parents and business owners. How will she cut taxes? It never says.
She has a platform, proposed policies, lots of positive working class messaging, and tons of other stuff.
She is not only running on look how shitty Trump is. That is just the part that gets attention.
Her platform is how shitty trump is and embracing republican policies.
Have you actually read her 70 page platform?
There are much more rewarding works of fiction to spend that time on
Witty, but you’re acknowledging that she does actually have a platform which extends beyond “not trump”, even though too much of the marketing is sharing that message.
I don’t like to be told to read something by people who don’t have any reading comprehension.
She has a platform in the sense that she has a bunch of shit she’s willing to say after a political career of being willing to say literally fucking anything. “It’s just a debate hahaha!”
Oh wait. Did she actually say she’d raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour and you believed her? Did the woman that illegally kept marijuana offenders in prison after the feds directed her to release them in order to use them as slave labor tell you that she’d legalize marijuana AND YOU BELIEVED HER??
Is that why you’re so credulous to every astroturfed line that comes out of their bot farm? You’re just stupid like that?
I’m not a fan of hers, nor am I credulous to everything she says. But I acknowledge that she has a platform, which is more than I can say for a stupid someone, whose “platform” is just two pages of heartstring issue bullet points. To be clear, I didn’t tell you to read anything. I asked someone else if they’ve read her platform, and you jumped in.
It’s not working this time at all.
If you don’t support bombing hospitals and children, you hate America
Both candidates will do nothing about Israel. Kamala is maybe an ounce better on communication on this issue. But the genocide will keep going on no matter what sadly. It should be unacceptable to us, but if voting is our only mechanism of control its basically zero control over that issue.
“If you don’t vote Harris, you hate America”
Great way to convince the folks at hexbear and .ml to vote Trump
Refusing to vote for Harris and actually voting for Trump are 2 different things, I know you can make the argument that both lead to the same outcome but they are 2 different choices
They are two different things, in the same way that running towards a rabid dog, and sitting still while a rabid dog runs towards you, are two different things
“I just don’t think the dog should have rabies in the first place” is a perfectly reasonable thing to say, and it’s not going to make the dog not have rabies
Weve reached agreement
They just showed how dumb you are tho, so yeah I guess you’re right here.
nope.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
longer:
If you vote for Trump, you’re selfish, psychopathic, and are trying to damage the US more than it already is.
If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
duverger’s “law” shows that the problem with fptp is that people strategically vote, leading to party consolidation. values voting prevents party consolidation
Working to split the vote against Harris is effectively a vote for Trump and for fascism.
third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.
also known as “voting” in healthy democracies.
and no, a vote for a different candidate is not a vote for Trump, that is fundamentally inaccurate fear-based alarmism.
it’s okay that you’re afraid, but that’s no reason to dismantle democracy.
I really want this to be true, and I used to believe it, but our voting system is convoluted with a winner-takes-all mechanism. It isn’t a direct democracy where all votes are equal and it’s naive to ignore our elector-based system that encourages total domination of the big boys over everyone else.
Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll vote for my actual preferred candidate. Otherwise, I have to vote for who can actually have a chance to win.
duverger has nothing to do with the electoral college. this is a Gish gallop
Won’t someone PLEASE think about the CONSTITUTION!
Trump spent four years breaking the law and Biden spent four years not putting his ass in jail. Meanwhile, you’ve NYPD officers putting bullets into the heads of people adjacent to turnstill jumpers. You’ve got paramilitary raids on college campuses and suburban neighbors to thrash peaceful protesters. You’ve got pipeline companies stealing property with the government’s blessing, while locals blocking the illegal construction are sprayed with tear gas. You’ve got a billionaire actively buying votes three weeks before an election, while the FEC twiddles its thumbs. You’ve got illegal overseas occupation of territory from Okinawa to Al Anbar to Guantanamo Bay. You’ve got a SCOTUS that’s taking bribes to issue rulings and Congressmen taking bribes to write laws and Governors taking bribes to turn over public property to private interests.
Whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.
Biden spent four years not putting his ass in jail.
The president cannot escape the systems of checks & balances we have to unilaterally imprison someone.
The president cannot escape the systems of checks & balances
The DOJ took SBF from indictment to jail inside three months. They have been fucking around on the Trump indictments for over two years.
SBF’s case was completely different, since the legality of his actions was much more easily provable as a crime. Not only was every transaction on the actual blockchain, which is immutable and couldn’t have possibly been faked, but his actions didn’t exactly have any nuance that could be argued in court. There were funds, they weren’t his, but he used them. Case closed.
Trump’s case involves not only a lot more possible statutes he could have violated, but also a lot of arbitrary actions that don’t perfectly fall into a rigid box of “this is legal” or “this is illegal.”
Plus, if you have more money to draw out legal fights, you can keep them going for longer, regardless of your case. SBF had most of his assets confiscated since they were almost entirely from the fraud, so he didn’t have the same luxuries.
challenging my nationalism? that’s like one of the isms i’m most sensitive about
next you’ll tell me that if i don’t love amerikkka, i can leave?
It is against US law and international law to send weapons to a country guilty of genocide.
Did Harris forget about this?
Trump “wants them to finish the job”,…
And Biden did what to stop them over the past 12 months? Vetoed UN ceasefire twice, vetoed Palestinian statehood, sent thousands of tons of weapons to Israel despite knowing they break international law and have blocked aid entry to civilians, and now is helping Israel invade Lebanon and strike Iran. Trump is saying it but Biden is doing it now.
Whose fault is it that the genocide continued for a year and might be inherited by Trump? In the end we find out that in 2023 Biden is as bloodthirsty as he was in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon.
Trump assassinated Solemani. That was the starting point.
We both agree on “genocide bad” so why do you make a difference if it’s done by Biden or trump or Harris?
I think you hope for the destabilization of the USA and their downfall, which is totally legit as you seem to be from the Middle East. But don’t veil your intentions by hiding behind bogus arguments, defending Trump as the better choice. He isn’t, only for religious extremists who want to command the private lifes of others… oh wait, that’s basically extremist Muslims or Project 2024 Christians. Ahh… now I understand! SORRY… you are 100% correct from your perspective.
I never defended Trump. In fact you will find that Trump is far less popular than Harris among Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. No Democratic presidential nominee in fact won a majority of white votes since LBJ, not even Clinton in 1992 and 1996. It is white people who mostly support Trump and Republicans. An insignificant minority of Arabs or Muslims not voting for Harris in Michigan or Pennsylvania won’t matter. I’m merely trying to communicate why genocide is a redline for many of us and the Democrats lost many of us. Again it is clear that the DNC isn’t alarmed by losing votes in an insignificant minority of Americans.
You are assuming too much about me too. I’m not Muslim or religious for example.
I agree, and it’s complete bullshit.
But I’m going to vote for “genocide and some safety for my Trans and female friends” over “more genocide, gay bashing, and forced birthing”. It’s our only two choices until there is either a change in the voting system, or better yet, a revolution.
I respect this even if I don’t agree with it. If you believe voting for Harris is harm reduction then you have to and it is a moral imperative. So I do understand and empathize with people who are honest about how the Democrats are failing but still see critical issues like democracy, gender equality and rights, and the environment better handled by them.
However I believe this hope and faith is misplaced. But I realized this after 6 presidential elections, so I don’t dare to deny you your own experience and personal growth. In 2020 I still had hopes that the border detention will be over if we just get Trump and his racist goons out. The border camps are still here…
Somehow it feels like the government is on autopilot and the only thing elections change is the intensity.
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. Both of them have a poor track record on the constitution. A weird fantasy people have cooked up in their head without evidence shouldn’t be the best of lemmy. It can be a fear. It can be a fear people talk about. But the best content of anything? I hope not.
Do you want to know why Kamala is doing poorly in the election odds. It’s not that she’s a worse candidate. People vote for or against social movements. Plenty of reason to vote against the MAGA social movement. But middle america is voting against the delusionment they see on the left and that they see on internet formums. This kind of disconnect from reality scares them, and they vote against your candidate.
Election odds? You mean the betting markets where 4 users dumped 30 million dollars on Trump coincidentally when Elon Musk started campaigning for him Pennsylvania? The odds that had her leading by 5 points that those 30 mil shifted to losing by 15?
Or are you talking about the polling, which has been an absolute shiteshow for 10 years because no one picks up their phones for random numbers anymore?
Believing a candidate when they tell you who they are is the opposite of delusion.
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Reddit ahh post. Genuinely what is the point of Lemmy dot world if every community is just scolding people about the fact you’re glazing a genocide denier
