Edit/Update: It turns out that my last name has a capitol letter in the middle and they put a space in it. Thank god. I can actually vote this year.

  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    That’s called privilege. You literally don’t realize what a burden it is for some people to comply with voter registration requirements, because your life is such that it’s easy for you.

    I could try and explain it, but in my experience every example I give, you’ll take out of context and come up with a simple fix. Because you aren’t able to understand the cumulative effect of thousands of these examples all happening all the time. You’ll just pick each one, imagine it happening to you in your life once, and think “oh that’s not a big deal I could handle that”. But it’s death by a thousand cuts. “That” is not a one time aberration. Your whole life is nothing but “that”.

    You just have to believe those of us more experienced in that kind of hardship than you.

    Or, alternatively, believe the Republicans who have been caught on a hot mic saying that they implent voter ID laws specifically to suppress Dem votes.

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      1 month ago

      Hmm they did say “can’t” suggesting they acknowledge some folks have things blocking them

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        Yes, there are people who can’t obtain an ID card, for whatever reason. A European citizen who couldn’t obtain an ID card would have the exact same problems voting that an American citizen does. I don’t have a systemic solution for that. This would seem to be something that would need to be handled on a case-by-case basis, possibly involving the judicial system and a court order. It also doesn’t seem to be a particularly common problem. I’d bet all the money in my pockets that OP does, indeed, have some sort of ID card.

        We have a remedy for this: Provisional ballots. Cast your vote now, and resolve any clusterfuck with registration later.

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      That’s called privilege. You literally don’t realize what a burden it is for some people to comply with voter registration requirements, because your life is such that it’s easy for you.

      The “privilege” you are talking about is the exact same privilege the parent comment assumed:

      I just have to show up with my ID, doesn’t matter if it’s for the EU parliament or the local city senate.

      The “privilege” you are talking about is “having an ID card”. Every time you obtain, renew, replace, update, or otherwise contact the state bureau handling ID cards (usually, the DMV), they are required, under federal law, to update your voter registration unless you specifically decline.

      The European standard is “get an ID card, show up and vote”. We implemented the European standard back in 1993.

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        1 month ago

        Proving my point here. Yes, that’s privilege. It seems like normal to you, as all privilege does. But it’s very difficult for a lot of people.

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          But it’s very difficult for a lot of people.

          It is, indeed, but the proper solution here is to lift them up to the bar, not lower the bar down to them.

          Lack of ID prevents you from getting and keeping a job, attending school, accessing the banking system, getting a PO box, getting licenses. Being unable to vote is the least of your problems.

          The proper solution is not to figure out how to make voting accessible to those without an ID. The proper solution is to get them an ID.

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            Nope. Voting is a fundamental right of a citizen. An illiterate dude living in a cave who has never even seen a concrete building should have the right to vote, if he’s a citizen. It is a civic responsibility for us to lower the bar for voting as low as possible to disenfranchise as few people as possible.

            All those things you said about IDs are true, and yes we should be helping people get them. But in the mean time we must not disenfranchise them.

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                A huge fraction of people (again, poor people, whom I’m sure you’re too privileged to associate with) do not file taxes and are not required to file taxes. See we’re getting into that thing I mentioned earlier where I give a thousand examples and you individualize each one.

                How would an illiterate dude living in a cave register to vote?

                If he knows his date of birth and his social security number, he can register in California. If he doesn’t know his SSN, they can look it up for him. In Texas, he doesn’t get to vote.