Sure, those two are ok, I guess, so long as Firefox doesn’t download models before I try using them for the first time. However, I emphatically don’t want and wouldn’t use and would be miffed if any tl;dring AI plugins weren’t optional. Mind you, we’re only here discussing this because we were asked about it and now there’s people replying as if ours are ludicrously luddite opinions that stand in the way of progress and Mozilla’s success.

Well, la di fucking dah. You’re telling me they have to bundle the solution to make people realize they have problems that fit. I’d just like a lean browser that understands Ublock Origin is its primary concern and focus because it’s its main advantage at the moment. Bundle that if you’re in a bundling mood.

I for one do know that and am not against AI religiously and have used it to great effect and STILL DON’T WANT TO DOWNLOAD IT WITH MY BROWSER. Just make it an addon.

I feel like you’re doing the classic Lemmy/Reddit thing of seeing the letters “AI” and automatically freaking out, before looking into what they’re actually doing. We aren’t talking about ChatGPT integration here…

They asked and we think they shouldn’t waste money on it and everything they do should be optional and not bundled by default. Why do you think we didn’t understand?

The primary, only, thing you could come up with is “I don’t want privacy focused translation, because AI”

Also this one is really tenuous to the point I’ll say fuck your interpretations of what I wrote. It should be: I don’t want ANY translation to inflate the browser. Publish them as a separate exe or a Firefox plugin. They bundle it because it’s a bunch of shit most people don’t need and would never seek /download.

Without realizing the the grand majority of all translation tools that don’t suck have been AI driven for like 8+ years (Long, long, before LLMs of today).

That’s presumptuous, I’m perfectly aware of it, but I’m not downloading the grand majority of translation tools with my browser.

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I filled it, but there’s no avenue there to express my complete disdain for AI and how shit it can make a product. Just make everything AI optional, don’t make me download data for shit I’ll never use.

Then please point me to an instance with less shitty privacy policy than this

Let’s replace one proprietary service with another. It looks so good with its API wide open, like it’s never getting enshittified.

Because it’s shit made to drive engagement, not worth anything. Unlike reddit which views you as assets to make it money and incentivises use, lemmy owners pay for the bandwidth, don’t get anything from out shitposts and if anything it would be in their interest to disincentivise use.

Google doesn’t have the leverage to get it into your OS against your wishes. They can’t even make me have their apps (search, assistant) on their Android.

I agree. We are in the honeymoon phase about to face varying degrees of eternal september and besides someone still pays for bandwidth and domains and who says it won’t be enshittified once it gains traction. This is clearly not a new paradigm.

Good, we need a forward escape from the accursed social media into a new paradigm. Anything eroding that tower of shit is welcome.

I agree with you on everything, other than

I legitimately want to scream sometimes as I feel the continual death of local computing and actual software

…it seems to me that it’s never been better, there’s free software for everything, osm data for mapping, it’s just that our expectations have shifted.

Fuck you, Mozilla. I’ll turn off any option you expose and run away to Librewolf or Fennec as soon as you cross the line. And the line is ublock origin, make no mistake about that. Here’s a tip: Raymond Hill is the most valuable asset Mozilla has and, here’s the kicker – YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE HIM.

Imma block you for this, it’s not personal tho

You’re right, it was rude. Sorry.

User JohnFen on ycombinator’s hacker news said it nicely and I’m lazy, so:

PPA means that my browser is doing the spying instead of a third party directly. That’s certainly a privacy improvement, but I don’t consider it sufficient.

“Sufficiently private” is a subjective call. I don’t want to be spied on. Whether or not there are technological “privacy preserving” features baked into it doesn’t alter that fundamental fact.

All that said, this isn’t a bad enough move to get me to stop using Firefox, as long as I can keep it disabled. It does mean that I have to view Firefox with suspicion, though. I can’t consider the browser to be my “user agent” anymore.

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