They are checking with lemmy.ca 😂

Individual liberals are often actually doing things, like campaigning for ballot measures and such

So supporting the status quo.

they are simply optimistic about a system that is rigged against them. It’s kinda hard to blame them for that.

No they actively support an oppressive system, and whenever the people being oppressed by said system tell them so they refuse to change anything about their behaviour, making them actively complicit.

No one is saying they are responsible for the system existing, but they categorically can and should be held accountable for their actions in participating in and upholding it, and I absolutely blame them for their part, and those making excuses for them, for theirs.

Their, and your, complacency is complicity.

Lmfao, an ally to who, liberals? 😂

Why the fuck would I ally with those who ally with and enable fascists and are literally putting my life and the lives of everyone like me and otherwise marginalised on the line for the sake of their own comfort?

GTFOH clown

Yup, only the cat can’t jump off - liberals whole shtick is that they’re grasping on to it in deep desperation to avoid even acknowledging the fire, and the harm it is causing. As long as they remain (relatively, and in their own skewed view) untouched, they will never act, and sometimes even then not.

Lmfao, all you’re doing here is continuing to prove the point op is making

The liberal wants their individual privilege and comfort maintained! At whose and what cost is completely irrelevant.

Well, that’s one way to deflect, lmao…

E: to clarify: I am not American, nor is anyone other than liberals trying to distance themselves from criticism use its outdated meaning, in the same way “liberaltarians” no longer means “socialists” to anyone.

@FrowingFostek - this. This is the comfort, and the wilful ignorance of what a revolution entails or aims for, and fear of losing privilege and perceived superiority, that go with it.

Fascism openly in power? People being genocided? Rounded up in to camps? Stripped of their human rights for how their were born? Deprived of their bodily autonomy? Losing entire communities to climate change? Having to exist as slave labour in a “developing” (read: colonised and pillaged) country to maintain the capitalist overconsumption machine? The widest wealth inequality ever to exist? Or even “just” - your neighbours can’t afford rent even with working 3 jobs? Have to choose to heat or eat because they can’t afford both? Die because an insurance company refused their claim? Die because the government refused their benefits claim? Get sick and die due to pollution? And on and on and on and on and on and on…

And then, the idea that everyone will have to work together for the benefit of everyone else? Building communities from the bottom up, and under the guidance and leadership of its most vulnerable, rather than its most privileged? Equity? Equality? Justice???

Fuck all that.

The liberal wants their individual privilege and comfort maintained! At whose and what cost is completely irrelevant.

I mean, you’d have to ask them, but from an anarchist perspective I would say the comfort in the familiarity of the (hierarchal, capitalist, statist, patriarchal, white supremacist, cis heteronormative, ableist) status quo which they are dedicated to upholding.

Anything material it provides is there to placate the population in to not rising up against those in power who exploit and destroy both planet and population for personal gain, and a really bad deal for at least 95% of the global population.

I can see 2 different versions of it from the same interface, depending on where I look, there’s obviously an issue with it, so yeah, it gets a little old when people keep making the same tired joke lol (which tbf, you didn’t)

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Wow.

I only know they’re lying because I know other women who know them.

And I know, like many other women and non-binary people (including the ones whose knowledge and experience you’re relying on, while refusing to acknowledge it has any value), from a lifetime of lived personal experience.

The question I gave as an example is meant to reveal whether they respect women as human beings, not a memory test.

Well it won’t reveal that, and anyone who even half notices celebrity news will be able to pull a couple of names out of their ass, so it is nothing but a memory test.

Communication with you has been difficult. Please try to understand me. I intend to be friendly with you.

First off, fuck you and your tone policing.

I understand you perfectly I just think you’re wrong, and the fact that you’re framing that as me being “difficult” is problematic on so many fucking levels, including being classic misogyny.

Second of all, maybe if you’d have invested a tenth (or any!) of the time and energy you have arguing with me, trying to fix something that no one asked you to fix and that more importantly and demonstrably doesn’t need fixing, in to addressing and calling out the men in this thread who prove exactly just how effective the original question is, I might have a little more patience for your noise.

But all you’re doing is proving that you are incapable of, at the very fucking least, shutting up and listening to the people directly impacted by misogyny, instead of talking over us for the sake of being “right” (even when you’re really not).

Kind of like:

They will possibly show up with a lot of battle rattle and a take-charge, can-do attitude.

🤔

I should have trusted my gut all the way back at your “not like other men” spiel…

I hope you take this as an opportunity to self reflect, recognise your problematic behaviour, and do better, but I won’t be holding my breath nor sticking around to find out, I’m done wasting my time and energy here.

They are not correct, so they’re either lying or deceiving themselves. My point is that they will lie to you if you simply ask a straightforward question like that.

And mine (and I presume original OP’s) point is that you know that they’re lying to you, and therefore the question has served its purpose either way.

E: it’s also there to ascertain how they regard and treat the real relationships with women in their real lives, not a memory test for names of people they’ve never had anything to do with.

Then you must not be paying much attention, or have an understanding of how capitalism functions (nor of how and why it inevitably decays in to fascism).

Lmfao, as if Keith would dare stand up to a mega corporation, or a fascist for that matter… I give it a week, at absolute most.

“I’m such a massive lefty, I see no issue with a mega corporation bending the knee to a fascist regime and helping them virtually take over territory that isn’t theirs” 🙄

(also no, it isn’t only showing in the states, and this being an expected part of capitalism doesn’t make it any less of a problem to be taken seriously)

reeks of insecurity big time.

No, it’s literally the opposite, it’s a display of power and support for an openly fascist regime they KNOW will benefit them financially.

It’s the epitome of capitalism, and precisely why said capitalism will always decay in to fascism.

It’s showing the same in at least 3 European countries (Netherlands, Sweden, Poland), too, see: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37545009

Exactly.

And losing your shit over the mere suggestion of being asked that question is so much more than a flag, it’s a red flashing neon banner with alarms going off.

Yet those with the most fragile of egos and most privilege (which they refuse to even acknowledge) to lose simply can’t help but tell on themselves.

It’s actually pretty fucking effective!

It’s (almost) funny how they think they’re here taking some sort of brave stand against oppression, when in reality all they’re doing is telling the rest of us that they don’t see women as people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In my experience, it is better to silently do good from the background without recognition than to proudly stand in front where people can try to bait you into a mistake, or misrepresent your good deeds.

Security personnel should have an attitude of service, not of leadership.

This is how it should be, unfortunately you’re in the minority, and those who refuse to acknowledge that a revolution/community/society depends on all its members working together for the benefit of everyone, rather than a hero-focused action movie led by a single all-powerful “leader”, out number you by quite a bit.

Which is incredibly ironic in this specific community considering how the most basic idea of anarchism is to abolish hierarchy, yet all these men want to do is secure and maintain their position at the top of one.

ETA: this is all why it’s vital to fight all oppressive systems and view how they intersect (aka intersectionality), not just capitalism, and why class reductionism is so counterproductive and even dangerous for the marginalised members of the community/society at large.